Saturday, October 13, 2007



AQSA STORY


i really wonder who asked this retard aqsa to post her views on this topic

above the view just look at her jihalat "illetracy" i really wonder which yellow school she attended

just take a look at the msg of this retard aqsa:

"whoever says Prophet Muhammad salla lahu alaihi wa sallam is light in sufi sense which makes him omnipresent and rest of the creation created out of that light has done the blashphemny of making him abnormal and have taken away human attribute from which QURAN affirms,thats wht freak means amongst its many meanings.How can creation be created from his ligh which includes creation of satan as well.Its blaspemny to even think satan is created from his light.I seek refuge in Allah from such blasphemy."


and now acording to her Quran is using those bad words nauzubillah how dirty these people can get.

can someone please teach this retard aqsa that shaitan was created by fire not by noor.

this aqsa, slave of najd, abu hafsa when ever these 3 people open their mouth something stinky comes out.

aqsa my sincere advice to you stop thinking about islam go and get married and lay some kids.

islam is too huge for your retarded mind






Oct 23 (7 days ago)

Aqsa[dead busy]

Addressing Prophet Muhammad Directly

Honour of Prophet Muhammad salla lahu alaihi wa sallam.

Intentions play major role

The Jews intended to mock at Islam and abuse Prophet Muhammad salla lahu alaihi wa sallam so they adressed him in the following manner


2:104. O you who believe! Say not (to the Messenger Peace be upon him ) Râ'ina [] but say Unzurna (Do make us understand) and hear. And for the disbelievers there is a painful torment. (See Verse 4:46)

4:46. Among those who are Jews, there are some who displace words from (their) right places and say: "We hear your word (O Muhammad SAW ) and disobey," and "Hear and let you (O Muhammad SAW) hear nothing." And Râ'ina[] with a twist of their tongues and as a mockery of the religion (Islâm). And if only they had said: "We hear and obey", and "Do make us understand," it would have been better for them, and more proper, but Allâh has cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not except a few.

Addressing Prophet Muhammad Directly

Honour of Prophet Muhammad salla lahu alaihi wa sallam.

Intentions play major role

The Jews intended to mock at Islam and abuse Prophet Muhammad salla lahu alaihi wa sallam so they adressed him in the following manner


2:104. O you who believe! Say not (to the Messenger Peace be upon him ) Râ'ina [] but say Unzurna (Do make us understand) and hear. And for the disbelievers there is a painful torment. (See Verse 4:46)

4:46. Among those who are Jews, there are some who displace words from (their) right places and say: "We hear your word (O Muhammad SAW ) and disobey," and "Hear and let you (O Muhammad SAW) hear nothing." And Râ'ina[] with a twist of their tongues and as a mockery of the religion (Islâm). And if only they had said: "We hear and obey", and "Do make us understand," it would have been better for them, and more proper, but Allâh has cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not except a few.
Oct 23 (7 days ago)

Aqsa[dead busy]

Tafsir ibn kathir
Allah forbade His believing servants from imitating the behavior and deeds of the disbelievers. The Jews used to use devious words that hide what they really meant. May Allah's curse be upon them. When they wanted to say, `hear us,' they would use the word Ra`ina, which is an insult (in Hebrew, but means `hear us' in Arabic). Allah said,
﴿مِّنَ الَّذِينَ هَادُواْ يُحَرِّفُونَ الْكَلِمَ عَن مَّوَاضِعِهِ وَيَقُولُونَ سَمِعْنَا وَعَصَيْنَا وَاسْمَعْ غَيْرَ مُسْمَعٍ وَرَعِنَا لَيّاً بِأَلْسِنَتِهِمْ وَطَعْناً فِى الدِّينِ وَلَوْ أَنَّهُمْ قَالُواْ سَمِعْنَا وَأَطَعْنَا وَاسْمَعْ وَانْظُرْنَا لَكَانَ خَيْراً لَّهُمْ وَأَقْوَمَ وَلَكِن لَّعَنَهُمُ اللَّهُ بِكُفْرِهِمْ فَلاَ يُؤْمِنُونَ إِلاَّ قَلِيلاً ﴾
(Among those who are Jews, there are some who displace words from (their) right places and say: "We hear your word (O Muhammad ) and disobey,'' and "Hear and let you (O Muhammad ) hear nothing.'' And Ra`ina with a twist of their tongues and as a mockery of the religion (Islam). And if only they had said: "We hear and obey,'' and "Do make us understand,'' it would have been better for them, and more proper; but Allah cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not except a few) (4:46).

Conclusion:In the context of the above verse It is forbidden to use inapproriate words to address Prophet Muhammad directly while speaking to him.

The believers are commanded not to make decisions in advance of Prophet Muhammad salla lahu alaihi wa sallam
2 1. O you who believe! Do not put (yourselves) forward[] before Allâh and His Messenger (SAW), and fear Allâh. Verily! Allâh is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.
2. O you who believe! Raise not your voices above the voice of the Prophet (SAW), nor speak aloud to him in talk as you speak aloud to one another, lest your deeds may be rendered fruitless while you perceive not.
Oct 23 (7 days ago)

Aqsa[dead busy]

3. Verily! Those who lower their voices in the presence of Allâh's Messenger (SAW), they are the ones whose hearts Allâh has tested for piety. For them is forgiveness and a great reward.
In these Ayat, Allah the Exalted teaches His faithful servants the good manners they should observe with the Messenger , which are respect, honor and esteem. Allah the Exalted and Most Honored said,
﴿يأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ لاَ تُقَدِّمُواْ بَيْنَ يَدَىِ اللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ﴾
(O you who believe! Make not (a decision) in advance before Allah and His Messenger,) meaning, do not rush in making decisions before him, rather, follow his lead in all matters. `Ali bin Abi Talhah reported that Ibn `Abbas, may Allah be pleased with him, commented;
﴿لاَ تُقَدِّمُواْ بَيْنَ يَدَىِ اللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ﴾
(Make not (a decision) in advance before Allah and His Messenger,) "Do not say anything that contradicts the Qur'an and Sunnah.'' Qatadah commented, "We were told that some people used to say, `Revelation should be sent down about such and such matters,' and, `such and such practices should be rendered allowed.' Allah the Exalted disliked this attitude.'' Allah said,
﴿وَاتَّقُواْ اللَّهَ﴾
(and have Taqwa of Allah.) meaning, `in what He has ordered you;'
﴿إِنَّ اللَّهَ سَمِيعٌ﴾
(Verily, Allah is Hearing,) `your statements,'
﴿عَلِيمٌ﴾
(Knowing.) `your intentions.' Allah said,
﴿يأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ لاَ تَرْفَعُواْ أَصْوَتَكُمْ فَوْقَ صَوْتِ النَّبِىِّ﴾
(O you who believe! Raise not your voices above the voice of the Prophet,) This contains another kind of favorable behavior. Allah the Exalted is teaching the believers that they should not raise their voices above the voice of the Prophet . It was stated that this Ayah was revealed about Abu Bakr and `Umar. Al-Bukhari recorded that Ibn Abi Mulaykah said, "The two righteous ones, Abu Bakr and `Umar, almost earned destruction when they raised their voices before the Prophet who was receiving the delegation of Bani Tamim.
Oct 23 (7 days ago)

Aqsa[dead busy]

continued

. One of them recommended Al-Aqra` bin Habis the member of the Banu Mujashi` while the other recommended another man. Nafi` (a subnarrator) said: "I don't remember his name.'' Abu Bakr said to `Umar, `You only wanted to contradict me,' while `Umar said, `I did not intend to contradict you.' Their voices then became loud, thereupon Allah the Exalted sent down this Ayah,
﴿يأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ لاَ تَرْفَعُواْ أَصْوَتَكُمْ فَوْقَ صَوْتِ النَّبِىِّ وَلاَ تَجْهَرُواْ لَهُ بِالْقَوْلِ كَجَهْرِ بَعْضِكُمْ لِبَعْضٍ أَن تَحْبَطَ أَعْمَـلُكُمْ وَأَنتُمْ لاَ تَشْعُرُونَ ﴾
(O you who believe! Raise not your voices above the voice of the Prophet, nor speak aloud to him in talk as you speak aloud to one another, lest your deeds should be thwarted while you perceive not.)'' `Abdullah bin Az-Zubayr said, "After that, `Umar's voice was so low that the Messenger of Allah had to ask him to repeat what he said so that he could understand what he was saying to him.'' `Abdullah bin Az-Zubayr did not mention the same regarding his father, Abu Bakr, may Allah be pleased with him. Muslim did not collect this Hadith. In another narration collected by Al-Bukhari, he said that a delegation from the tribe of Banu Tamim came to the Prophet and that Abu Bakr recommended Al-Qa`qa` bin Ma`bad to be appointed as their leader, while `Umar recommended Al-Aqra` bin Habis. Muslim did not collect this narration. Al-Bukhari recorded that Anas bin Malik said, "The Prophet missed Thabit bin Qays and a man said, `O Allah's Messenger! I will find out about his news.' That man went to Thabit and found him sitting at home with his head lowered and asked him, `What is the matter' Thabit said, `An evil matter!' And he said that he used to raise his voice above the voice of the Prophet . He feared that his good deeds would be useless and he would be among the people of the Fire. The man went back to the Prophet and conveyed Thabit's statement and returned to Thabit with a wonderfully good news. The Prophet said,
Oct 23 (7 days ago)

Aqsa[dead busy]

«اذْهَبْ إِلَيْهِ فَقُلْ لَهُ: إِنَّكَ لَسْتَ مِنْ أَهْلِ النَّارِ، وَلَكِنَّكَ مِنْ أَهْلِ الْجَنَّة»
(Go back to him and tell him this news; you are not among the people of the Fire. Rather, you are among the dwellers of Paradise.)'' Al-Bukhari collected this Hadith with this wording. Imam Ahmad recorded that Anas bin Malik said, "When this Ayah was revealed,
﴿يأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ لاَ تَرْفَعُواْ أَصْوَتَكُمْ فَوْقَ صَوْتِ النَّبِىِّ﴾
(O you who believe! Raise not your voices above the voice of the Prophet), until,
﴿وَأَنتُمْ لاَ تَشْعُرُونَ﴾
(while you perceive not), Thabit bin Qays bin Ash-Shammas, whose voice was loud, said, `I was the one who raised his voice above the voice of Allah's Messenger . I am among the dwellers of the Fire. My good deeds have been done in vain.' He remained in his house feeling distressed, and the Messenger of Allah noticed his absence. So some men went to Thabit and said to him, `The Prophet noticed your absence. What is the matter with you' Thabit said, `I used to raise my voice above the voice of the Prophet and speak loudly in front of him. My deeds have been rendered useless and I am among the people of the Fire.' They went to the Prophet and told him what Thabit said and the Prophet said,
«لَا، بَلْ هُوَ مِنْ أَهْلِ الْجَنَّة»
(Nay, he is among the dwellers of Paradise.)'' Anas commented, "We used to see Thabit walk among us knowing that he was (to be) among the dwellers of Paradise. During the battle of Yamamah, our forces suffered retreat. Suddenly, Thabit bin Qays bin Shammas came, having put on his Hanut and shrouds, and said, `The worst habit is the one you acquire from your enemy and do not set a bad example for your companions.' And he went on fighting until he was martyred, may Allah be pleased with him.'' Allah then prohibited speaking to the Prophet in a loud voice, just as one speaks loudly to another in a way that offends him. Instead, they were required to speak to him in terms of respect, honor and calmness.
Oct 23 (7 days ago)

Aqsa[dead busy]

This is why Allah the Exalted and Most Honored said,
﴿وَلاَ تَجْهَرُواْ لَهُ بِالْقَوْلِ كَجَهْرِ بَعْضِكُمْ لِبَعْضٍ﴾
(nor speak aloud to him in talk as you speak aloud to one another,) just as He said in another Ayah,
﴿لاَّ تَجْعَلُواْ دُعَآءَ الرَّسُولِ بَيْنَكُمْ كَدُعَآءِ بَعْضِكُمْ بَعْضاً﴾
(Make not the calling of the Messenger among you as your calling one of another.) (24:63) Allah's statement,
﴿أَن تَحْبَطَ أَعْمَـلُكُمْ وَأَنتُمْ لاَ تَشْعُرُونَ﴾
(lest your deeds should be thwarted while you perceive not.) means, `We ordered you to refrain from raising your voices to the Prophet , so that he will not get angry with you, because in doing so, you will also anger Allah.' The good deeds of he who caused the Prophet's anger will become useless without him even knowing. In the Sahih, there is a Hadith that states,
«إِنَّ الرَّجُلَ لَيَتَكَلَّمُ بِالْكَلِمَةِ مِنْ رِضْوَانِ اللهِ تَعَالَى لَا يُلْقِي لَهَا بَالًا، يُكْتَبُ لَهُ بِهَا الْجَنَّةُ، وَإِنَّ الرَّجُلَ لَيَتَكَلَّمُ بِالْكَلِمَةِ مِنْ سَخَطِ اللهِ تَعَالَى لَا يُلْقِي لَهَا بَالًا، يَهْوِي بِهَا فِي النَّارِ أَبْعَدَ مَا بَيْنَ السَّمَاءِ وَالْأَرْض»
(Verily, a man might utter a word that pleases Allah the Exalted, even though he does not recognize the significance of his word, and on its account Paradise is written for him. Verily, a man might utter a word carelessly that angers Allah the Exalted, and on its account, he is cast in the Fire farther than the distance between the heavens and earth.) Allah then ordains lowering one's voice before the Messenger and encourages, directs and recommends this better behavior.
﴿إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يَغُضُّونَ أَصْوَتَهُمْ عِندَ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ أُوْلَـئِكَ الَّذِينَ امْتَحَنَ اللَّهُ قُلُوبَهُمْ لِلتَّقْوَى﴾

(Verily, those who lower their voices in the presence of Allah's Messenger, they are the ones whose hearts Allah has tested for Taqwa.) whose hearts have been purified by Allah and made as a residence and dwelling for the Taqwa,
Oct 23 (7 days ago)

Aqsa[dead busy]

﴿لَهُم مَّغْفِرَةٌ وَأَجْرٌ عَظِيمٌ﴾
(For them is forgiveness and a great reward.) Imam Ahmad recorded in the Book of Az-Zuhd that Mujahid said, "Someone wrote to `Umar, `O Leader of the faithful! Who is better, a man who does not feel the desire to commit a sin and does not commit it, or a man who feels desire to commit a sin, but does not commit it' `Umar replied, `He who feels desire to commit a sin, but does not commit it,
﴿أُوْلَـئِكَ الَّذِينَ امْتَحَنَ اللَّهُ قُلُوبَهُمْ لِلتَّقْوَى لَهُم مَّغْفِرَةٌ وَأَجْرٌ عَظِيمٌ﴾
(they are the ones whose hearts Allah has tested for Taqwa. For them is forgiveness and a great reward.)'''
﴿إَنَّ الَّذِينَ يُنَادُونَكَ مِن وَرَآءِ الْحُجُرَتِ أَكْثَرُهُمْ لاَ يَعْقِلُونَ - وَلَوْ أَنَّهُمْ صَبَرُواْ حَتَّى تَخْرُجَ إِلَيْهِمْ لَكَانَ خَيْراً لَّهُمْ وَاللَّهُ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ ﴾

Wait for Prophet Muhammad salla lahu alaihi wa sallam and do not call him.
49: 4. Verily! Those who call you from behind the dwellings, most of them have no sense.
5. And if they had patience till you could come out to them, it would have been better for them. And Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Allah informs Prophet Muhammad salla lahu alaihi wa sallam that …….. he is not Mad.

68: 2 Thou art not by the grace of thy Lord mad or possessed.

Allah informs Prophet Muhammad salla lahu alaihi wa sallam what ……..kuffar say.

15: 6 They say: "O thou to whom the Message is being revealed! Truly thou art mad (or possessed)!

54: 24 For they said: "what! a man! a solitary one from among ourselves! shall we follow such a one? Truly should we then be straying in mind and mad!

17:47 We know best why it is they listen when they listen to thee; and when they meet in private conference Behold the wicked say "Ye follow none other than a man bewitched!"
Oct 23 (7 days ago)

Aqsa[dead busy]


The above verses must not be cited for Muslims but if they treat Prophet Muhammad salla lahu alaihi wa sallam in the above manner unintentionally,without citing the verses they must be corrected by saying not to make him the above .I seek refuge in Allah from disrespecting the most holy personality i.e Prophet Muhammad salla lahu alaihi wa sallam
Everything correct is from Allah and wrong is from me,may Allah forgive me and the Ummah ,Ameen ,thum’ameen.


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Oct 23 (7 days ago)

Sami سمیع

@Aqsa

You have copy-pasted Tafsir-e-Ibn-e-Kathir of the first few verses of Sura-e-Hujrat, which I really appreciate. But how have you concluded the following from those verses (or their Tafseer)? You concluded: “The above verses must not be cited for Muslims but if they treat Prophet Muhammad salla lahu alaihi wa sallam in the above manner unintentionally,without citing the verses they must be corrected by saying not to make him the above”.

I can’t see a reason that why these verses can’t be cited for Muslims while these are directly addressing Muslims (that’s why they are started with the phrase يأيها الذين امنوا (i.e. “O you who believe”)).I don’t agree with your conclusion because these verses are revealed for Muslims and they can be cited for Muslims.

AND ALLAH KNOWS THE BEST!
Oct 23 (7 days ago)

Aqsa[dead busy]

@Sami


u misunderstood.

i am talking abt verses from 49: 4. to 17:47 .These verses cant be used for Muslims coz they are abt Kuffar.

*Another point to Note:There is a difference betwen addressing Prophet Muhammad salla lahu alaihi wa sallam directly and talking abt him to a third person.Incase a thrid person is disrespecting then we can also say he/she is disrespecting the way Allah used the terms in verses 49:4 to 17:47

the verses above 49: 4 are very contextual and we must be very careful to apply it on others coz INETNTIONS PLAY MAJOR ROLE IN THEM.

wallahu alam.

omer

@aqsa

Aqsa[dead busy]
@Sami

u misunderstood.

i am talking abt verses from 49: 4. to 17:47 .These verses cant be used for Muslims coz they are abt Kuffar.


049.001
YUSUFALI: O Ye who believe! Put not yourselves forward before Allah and His Messenger; but fear Allah: for Allah is He Who hears and knows all things.

049.002
YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Raise not your voices above the voice of the Prophet, nor speak aloud to him in talk, as ye may speak aloud to one another, lest your deeds become vain and ye perceive not.

049.003
YUSUFALI: Those that lower their voices in the presence of Allah's Messenger,- their hearts has Allah tested for piety: for them is Forgiveness and a great Reward.

049.004
YUSUFALI: Those who shout out to thee from without the inner apartments - most of them lack understanding.

049.005
YUSUFALI: If only they had patience until thou couldst come out to them, it would be best for them: but Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.



read the sequence aqsa 49:4 is for muslims not for non muslims. kindly stop making conclusions on your own.
Oct 24 (6 days ago)

Aqsa[dead busy]

i meant these verses.

Allah informs Prophet Muhammad salla lahu alaihi wa sallam that …….. he is not Mad.

68: 2 Thou art not by the grace of thy Lord mad or possessed.

Allah informs Prophet Muhammad salla lahu alaihi wa sallam what ……..kuffar say.

15: 6 They say: "O thou to whom the Message is being revealed! Truly thou art mad (or possessed)!

54: 24 For they said: "what! a man! a solitary one from among ourselves! shall we follow such a one? Truly should we then be straying in mind and mad!

17:47 We know best why it is they listen when they listen to thee; and when they meet in private conference Behold the wicked say "Ye follow none other than a man bewitched!"

*Another point to Note:There is a difference betwen addressing Prophet Muhammad salla lahu alaihi wa sallam directly and talking abt him to a third person.Incase a thrid person is disrespecting then we can also say he/she is disrespecting the way Allah used the terms in verses 68:2 to 17:47.And these verses must'nt be quoted for Muslims.

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49:4 is surely for Muslims,it was error in copying.and u failed to comment on above verses.
Oct 24 (6 days ago)
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omer

ok aqsa i hope this time you have not done any mistake like before and your final reply is this:

68:2
15:6
54:24
17:47

these ayats are for kuffars and should not be used for muslims??

i hope i understand what you are saying.

kindly tell me if i am wrong
Oct 24 (6 days ago)
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omer


*Another point to Note:There is a difference betwen addressing Prophet Muhammad salla lahu alaihi wa sallam directly and talking abt him to a third person.Incase a thrid person is disrespecting then we can also say he/she is disrespecting the way Allah used the terms in verses 68:2 to 17:47.And these verses must'nt be quoted for Muslims.


secondly what you mean by this bold part??

you mean you can use these terms because Allah has used it??
Oct 24 (6 days ago)

Aqsa[dead busy]

ok,I'll explain again.see the underlined points.

Allah informs Prophet Muhammad salla lahu alaihi wa sallam that …….. he is not Mad.

68: 2 Thou art not by the grace of thy Lord mad or possessed.

This is wht kuffar used to allege so Allah clarified that Prophet Muhammad salal lahu alaihi wa salalm is not Mad or possessed in 68:2.No one shud say muslims allege this

Allah informs Prophet Muhammad salla lahu alaihi wa sallam what ……..kuffar say.

15: 6 They say: "O thou to whom the Message is being revealed! Truly thou art mad (or possessed)!

This is wht kuffar used to allege so Allah clarified that Prophet Muhammad salal lahu alaihi wa salalm is not Mad or possessed in 15:6.No one shud say muslims allege this


54: 24 For they said: "what! a man! a solitary one from among ourselves! shall we follow such a one? Truly should we then be straying in mind and mad!

This is wht kuffar used to allege so Allah clarified that Prophet Muhammad salal lahu alaihi wa salalm is not Mad or possessed in 68:2.No one shud say muslims allege this


17:47 We know best why it is they listen when they listen to thee; and when they meet in private conference Behold the wicked say "Ye follow none other than a man bewitched!"

This is wht kuffar used to allege so Allah clarified that Prophet Muhammad salal lahu alaihi wa salalm is not Mad or possessed in 68:2.No one shud say muslims alledge this


*Another point to Note:There is a difference betwen addressing Prophet Muhammad salla lahu alaihi wa sallam directly and talking abt him to a third person.Incase a thrid person is disrespecting then we can also say he/she is disrespecting the way Allah used the terms in verses 68:2 to 17:47.And these verses must'nt be quoted for Muslims meaning no one sud say muslims allege this .

hope this helps,anymore misunderstanding ? plz ask.thanks
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Oct 24 (6 days ago)

Ozair

@Aqsa and Omer,

Its just a request, please dont start a fight, i am not well so i would be a bit lazy in checking :)
Oct 24 (6 days ago)

Aqsa[dead busy]


secondly what you mean by this bold part??

you mean you can use these terms because Allah has used it??



Allah did'nt said that ,Allah loves Prophet Muhammad salla lahu alaihi wa sallam and considers him most pious.Allah negated those who said that.

hope this helps.

wallahu alam.
Oct 24 (6 days ago)

Aqsa[dead busy]

ozair

get well soon,

take care

feamanillah.
Oct 24 (6 days ago)
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omer

*Another point to Note:There is a difference betwen addressing Prophet Muhammad salla lahu alaihi wa sallam directly and talking abt him to a third person.Incase a thrid person is disrespecting then we can also say he/she is disrespecting the way Allah used the terms in verses 68:2 to 17:47.

And these verses must'nt be quoted for Muslims meaning no one sud say muslims allege this .


its shocking.

these are general rules. i mean the ayats mentioned above are the general rules by giving examples of kuffars and even muslims.

now if a muslim is disrespecting our beloved Prophet (SAW) intentionally or unintentionally you dont want us to use these ayats to show his or her mistake??

these are the examples shown in Quran how worst a person can go and as you have said if he is non muslim we can tell him these ayats to stop him but if he is muslim we cant use these ayats??

i really dont understand your logic here. i think you should clarify it so all muslims should get benefit
Oct 24 (6 days ago)
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omer

@ozair

ozair use cooliris extension you wont have to go to every page to see whats happening there.

Oct 24 (6 days ago)

Ozair

Omer, i'll count on you guys :), no need for any extensions!
Oct 24 (6 days ago)

Aqsa[dead busy]

its shocking.

these are general rules. i mean the ayats mentioned above are the general rules by giving examples of kuffars and even muslims.

now if a muslim is disrespecting our beloved Prophet (SAW) intentionally or unintentionally you dont want us to use these ayats to show his or her mistake??

these are the examples shown in Quran how worst a person can go and as you have said if he is non muslim we can tell him these ayats to stop him but if he is muslim we cant use these ayats??

i really dont understand your logic here. i think you should clarify it so all muslims should get benefit



I see that you are not understanding.See your questions,you are answering plus questioning same thing.

Take a break ,dont confuse yourself.These are very sensitive issues.No need to shock yourself.

Leave the issue if you dont understand the logic.Lest you misunderstand.

If Muslims read it from the beginning they will Inshallah understand ,So dont worry.

Wassalaamu alaykum wa rahmatuallahi wa barakatuhu.
Oct 24 (6 days ago)
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omer

no aqsa

its very important. you should explain what are you trying to say here.

as we can see what you have been trying is wrong. your conclusion was absolutely wrong. none of those ayats are for kuffars. they are either general rules for everyone to follow or have been told to refrain from doing all that.

and with all those ayats your point dont use these ayats for muslims is baseless.

you should explain it atleast for a muslim like me for whom it is hard to understand.
Oct 25 (5 days ago)

Aqsa[dead busy]

conclusion.

well,my msgs here are only for those who are understanding it not for those who are misunderstanding it.First u mean u dont understand now u mean u have an opinion.You'r confused and unclear.

i dont believe in convincing ,i believe in proving which i have done Alhamdulilah.

If i give examples it will become sectarian issue and sectarian topics are banned.

Anyone who bothers to read verses with their Tafsir can read initial msgs.Also visit below links.

See for yourself which verses are for whom and what they say.

www.tafsir.com

www.altafsir.com

Wallahu alam.
Oct 25 (5 days ago)

SaNa

Take a break ,dont confuse yourself.These are very sensitive issues.No need to shock yourself.

Leave the issue if you dont understand the logic.Lest you misunderstand.


Oct 25 (5 days ago)
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omer

aqsa you are insisting on not using these ayats for muslims.

if we read ayats its clearly mentioned O believers!

now here starts the confusion for me and i really wonder how other muslims can understand it.

either Obelievers! is used for non muslims thats why you dont want these ayats for muslims or you gave the wrong conclusion.

atleast tell this to us so we can understand what you are trying to do here.

secondly kindly dont run from my questions by saying this is for those who can understand.
Oct 25 (5 days ago)

Raheel

Both Aqsa and Omer.. both of you has presented your views... Now plz dont drag this until one dies...Other members also have something called brain to understand your point of views... leave that to them..
Oct 25 (5 days ago)
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omer

raheel

its not about dieing etc.

its about misquoting ayats.

she has posted her personal views and gave wrong conclusion which can easily create mess.

this has to be cleared for all.

my simple question is when O Believers is mentioned in ayat or the sequence of ayats in same surah is for muslims than how she has concluded it as these ayats are not for muslims??
Oct 25 (5 days ago)

Muhammed Ali

The verse explicitly states: Ya ayuhallazina Amanooh, La taqulu raina waqulu unzurna .... O beleivers do not say Raina {when reffering to RasoolAllah} but say Unzurna.

Any beleiver who uses disrespectful words while adressing Prophet {SAW} such a person is apostate ... regardless of his intention ... hence wajib ul qatal. Because Allah say those who make War on Allahs messneger cruficy them cut their hands from both sides and feet ... hence cutting their hands and feet, and crufiying them until they are dead and they can not be burried ... their is no funeral prayers for such individual nor a burial ... if kaffirs want to burry him thats their choice ... its not permitted for a muslim to bury a insulter of RasooAllah {SAW}.

And anyone who uses such words CAN BE THE GREATEST ALIM EVER LIVED ... HE MIGHT HAVE NAME WITH TWO THOUSAND HONOURARY TITLES BEFORE HIS NAME ... ONCE HE AS INSULTED HE SHOULD BE KILLED ... SHOULD BE KILLED EVEN IF HE REPENTS SINCERELY. Repentance if accepted Allah will not punish him ... but HIS REPENTANCE ON THIS WORLD WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED ... JUST AS A ZAANI CAN REPENT FROM HIS DEED BUT HE STILL WILL BE STONED TO DEATH.

No forgiveness, no mercy, no tolerance, no love, no compasion should be shown in this regard, INSULTER OF RASOOLALLAH {saw} SHOULD BE KILLED EVEN IF HE REPENTS BILLIONS AND TRILLIONS TIMES.

Hence those who have insulted RasoolAllah {SAW} can repent as much as they like ... those who deffend such insulters all are in the same boat, WAJIB UL QATAL.

Ali
Oct 25 (5 days ago)

Muhammed Ali

Secondly it is permitted to quote the INSULTING STATEMENTS OF KAFFIRS, FOR THE SAKE OF REFFUTATION, BECAUSE ALLAH QUOTES WHAT THE KAFFIRS SAID ABOUT RASOOLALLAH {saw}, and then he condems them.


You people must be wondering what are these posts of aqsa and others. so let me take the opportunity to expose this retard aqsa:

aqsa has posted these ayats and said these ayats are revealed for non muslims so we should not use them for muslims.

all these ayats are started O! Believers or are general rules for muslims. but this retard aqsa declared them as ayats which are revealed for kuffars. i really wonder since when O! Believers in Quran is used for kuffars.

when i asked her about this you people can see her reply:

"well,my msgs here are only for those who are understanding it not for those who are misunderstanding it."

she cant even tell who are those who can understand that O! Believers is used for kuffars nauzubillah.

link to her thread:

http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=3126&tid
=2562177976841543471&na=1&nst=1

paste both lines in address bar to get there or click here


latest fatwa from Aqsa




this is condition of aqsa who sits on cam wearing hijab. what a shameful act is this. someone please advice this retard aqsa to stop degrading islam with her foolish logics.